[Mesa-users] [EXT] How to check a nuclear reaction rate?

Thu Mar 28 13:32:54 UTC 2024

Hello Eb,

Thank you for sharing these approaches, and sorry for the delay. I think your method 3 is especially good for running models in parallel.

Cheers,
Kaili
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Subject: Re: [Mesa-users] [EXT] How to check a nuclear reaction rate?

Hello Kaili, Yes, it's probably wise to always clear the cache if you are going to regenerate new rates, just in case. 1- Setting those controls in the inlists is one approach, especially if you want to provide a special rate factor. 2-

Hello Kaili,

Yes, it's probably wise to always clear the cache if you are going to regenerate new rates, just in case.

1- Setting those controls in the inlists is one approach, especially if you want to provide a special rate factor.
2- Another approach is to change the global default in MESA by navigating to $MESA_DIR/star/data/rate_tables/rate_list.txt and adding a line that says 'r_n14_pg_o15     r_n14_pg_o15_nacreII.dat'.
3- One more approach (that I personally opt for in most cases) is to repeat 2 but with a local copy of /rate_tables in your MESA model folder. MESA should by default use this local rate_tables directory over the main default.

In fact, in most of my inlists, I place the following in star_job so that my rate_tables and rates_cache are stored locally with some other caches and not bound to MESA's default rates or other data folders. (useful for running on a cluster)

! local directories data
      mesa_dir =''
      eosDT_cache_dir      = './eosDT_cache'
      kap_cache_dir        = './kap_cache'
      rate_tables_dir      = './rate_tables'
      rates_cache_dir      = './rates_cache'

> Would this be due to different forms of fitting functions?
Possibly, MESA constructs its own piecewise monotonic cubic spline functions to interpolate and tabulate the rate. You can find the calls that do this in the same raw_rates.f90 file I referred to previously.

-EbF

On Tue, Mar 26, 2024 at 5:44 PM Cao, Kaili <cao.1191 at buckeyemail.osu.edu<mailto:cao.1191 at buckeyemail.osu.edu>> wrote:

Hello Eb,

Thanks a lot for this information.

Following the changelog, I suppose if I want to replace the default 14N proton capture rate with the NACRE II value shipped with MESA, I should write:

num_special_rate_factors = 1

reaction_for_special_factor(1) = 'r_n14_pg_o15'

special_rate_factor(1) = 1

filename_of_special_rate(1) = 'r_n14_pg_o15_nacreII.dat'

in my inlists, and run $MESA_DIR/empty_caches before running my models; and if I want to replace multiple rates, I set num_special_rate_factors to the number I want and define other entries in a similar way. Please tell me if this is wrong, thank you.

I have not changed nuclear reaction rates before, so I should have been using the defaults. I used `show_rates` to convert r_n14_pg_o15_1.bin, and the txt file tells me that:

when T8 = 1.0000690699539715E-01, rate = 2.0247671654597788E-022.

However, this is slightly (about 3.3%) below the NACRE rate provided by REACLIB Database

https://reaclib.jinaweb.org/n14(p,g)o15/nacr/<https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://reaclib.jinaweb.org/n14(p,g)o15/nacr/__;!!IKRxdwAv5BmarQ!Z-CvDte8VjT4Inevmze_uCwVFvUjK3D6-CqjkxLALmrWBnmcVoiN3LIAbdO7AujD4bq5F0RgnDTghEqcs_gG6NChnPveJPM$>

which claims: when T9 = 1.0000690699539715E-02, rate = 2.09489965936E-22.

Could this be due to different forms of fitting functions? Thanks.

Cheers,

Kaili

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Subject: Re: [Mesa-users] [EXT] How to check a nuclear reaction rate?

Hello Kaili and thanks Mathieu, Be careful that you are sure which rate you are reading in. The default n14pg rate in MESA is from NACRE1, and is set in $MESA_DIR/rates/private/raw_rates. f90: 239 case(ir_n14_pg_o15) 240 call do1(rate_n14pg_nacre)The
Hello Kaili and thanks Mathieu,

Be careful that you are sure which rate you are reading in. The default n14pg rate in MESA is from NACRE1, and is set in $MESA_DIR/rates/private/raw_rates.f90<https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://github.com/MESAHub/mesa/blob/5992b8ed6c3033a560ee4361f4cc86335c2bb6f4/rates/private/raw_rates.f90*L239__;Iw!!KGKeukY!zVv5mOzul0tRIDw0i-sHh034ARffwLjtJr6Dx4ry-uN7hRx4Tqorb_93tx9KO1RmpSUQcSGJSwue5kueu_2eyYbXs7cD$>:
239            case(ir_n14_pg_o15)
240               call do1(rate_n14pg_nacre)

The controls for changing which n14_pg rate you adopt have been removed, but you can still adopt the rate by placing it in your local ./rate_tables directory or the global one that lives in $MESA_DIR/data/rates_data/rate_tables. See the changelog for rates in version r22.05.1<https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://docs.mesastar.org/en/release-r24.03.1/changelog.html*id10__;Iw!!KGKeukY!zVv5mOzul0tRIDw0i-sHh034ARffwLjtJr6Dx4ry-uN7hRx4Tqorb_93tx9KO1RmpSUQcSGJSwue5kueu_2eyZmYtvWT$>
which describes all of this in detail.

The default $MESA_DIR/data/rates_data/rate_tables directory also provides the n14_pg rate from cf88 as well as NACREII if you want to give those a try.

Cheers,
EbF

On Tue, Mar 26, 2024 at 2:25 PM Cao, Kaili via Mesa-users <mesa-users at lists.mesastar.org<mailto:mesa-users at lists.mesastar.org>> wrote:
Dear Mathieu,

Thank you very much for your quick reply! The `show_rates` script is very handy.

For those who are interested, I checked several values and found a slight disagreement between MESA and JINALAB. I will think more about this.

Cheers,
Kaili

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Subject: Re: [EXT][Mesa-users] How to check a nuclear reaction rate?

Dear Kaili, there is a way to have MESA print out in a txt file the value of the rate used for a specific reaction as a function of T. This requires using a small script called `show_rates` to convert rates cached in binary format into a human-readable
Dear Kaili,

there is a way to have MESA print out in a txt file the value of the rate used for a specific reaction as a function of T. This requires using a small script called `show_rates` to convert rates cached in binary format into a human-readable format. The script is available in $MESA_DIR/rates/test, see also the relevant section in the documentation<https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://docs.mesastar.org/en/latest/net/nets.html*inspect-the-temperature-dependence-of-used-rates__;Iw!!KGKeukY!0QlmTdnJvC0E1CaZrSUz7TvYvpiV-rjmVoz9yx6tnS8Bq_rNHy-Qb3j8dCKZJbXvYMrjHylRUXvL-uRn3JfLrjyeo4yp7N0$>.

Hope this helps!
Mathieu (with many thanks to Rob Farmer who taught me how to do this)

On 3/26/24 13:41, Cao, Kaili via Mesa-users wrote:

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Dear MESA Users,

Thank you for reading this email.

I would like to ask about how to check a nuclear reaction rate used in MESA, specifically the proton capture rate of 14N, which was halved in 2006 and is important for my purposes.

I understand that the jina_reaclib_filename control is default to "current standard version," but I find the corresponding file (jina_reaclib_results_20171020_default) hard to decipher, and I wish to make a direct comparison to:

https://reaclib.jinaweb.org/n14(p,g)o15/im05/<https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://reaclib.jinaweb.org/n14(p,g)o15/im05/__;!!KGKeukY!0QlmTdnJvC0E1CaZrSUz7TvYvpiV-rjmVoz9yx6tnS8Bq_rNHy-Qb3j8dCKZJbXvYMrjHylRUXvL-uRn3JfLrjyefN_wm2c$>

Can someone please confirm that this rate is up to date, or instruct me how to check it? Thanks a lot.

Best regards,

Kaili Cao

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