[Mesa-users] Making uniform composition of CO white dwarfs

[Francis Timmes]

hi harish,

regrettably, i do not have the bandwidth to continue helping with your research project.
besides, this is a good learning opportunity for you to think carefully about your results
and then if needed to delve into textbooks and the literature on helium ignition atop white dwarfs.
alternatively, perhaps someone else can step in to help you.

fxt






> On Oct 23, 2021, at 9:00 AM, harish sorrout <harishsorrout at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Thankyou Timmes for your valuable comments on my queries. 
>         Sir, I still have some questions regarding the accretion on white dwarfs. I have accreted helium on a cool (38000 K) and hot (52000 K) white dwarfs of different carbon oxygen
> abundances with accretion rate 5d-8. When I studied the plot of helium luminosity with the accretion age for both cool and hot white dwarfs. I found following facts form the figures attached:
> 
> 1. For cool WD, helium ignites earlier in the white dwarf of 70 % carbon as compared to the white dwarf of 30 % carbon abundance.
> 2. For hot WD,  helium ignites earlier in the white dwarf of 30 % carbon as compared to the white dwarf of 70 % .
> sir, i could not understand the physics behind this. I will be highly thankful if you or mesausers help me in this regard.
> 
> Thankyou
> 
> with regards
>  Harish Kumar
>  
> 
> 
> On Thu, Oct 7, 2021 at 12:24 PM Francis Timmes <fxt44 at mac.com> wrote:
> hi harish,
> 
> at zeroth order, oxygen is heavier than carbon, so all else being equal, 
> one might expect that the more oxygen there is the smaller the radius would be. 
> this is what your plot shows.
> 
> slightly deeper, degenerate electrons dominate the total pressure P in 
> the interior of a white dwarf. these expressions depend on the composition
> through the electron fraction Y_e = <Z>/<A>. but carbon and oxygen both
> have Y_e = 1/2. this means the degenerate electrons cannot be the cause 
> of the radius being composition dependent.  
> 
> but a white dwarf is composed of both electrons and ions. for ideal ions
> the total pressure would be P = P_e + N_A/<A> * rho * k * T. this expression 
> alone says that ions generate a composition dependence to the thermodynamics,
> hence to the radius. in addition, the electrons and ions interact in a coulomb plasma, 
> and these contributions to the thermodynamics also have composition dependence.
> 
> clearer?
> 
> fxt
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> > On Oct 6, 2021, at 9:00 PM, harish sorrout via Mesa-users <mesa-users at lists.mesastar.org> wrote:
> > 
> > Respected MESA users,
> > 
> > I want to study the accretion effect on CO white dwarfs. For this I have generated white dwarf models of mass 0.6 solar mass using test_suite make_co_WD.  Then I changed carbon oxygen abundances to 0.3 C, 0.5 C and 0.7 C  by making set_uniform_xa_from_file = .true.
> > All models with different carbon oxygen abundances are terminated at the same temperature 52000 K effective temperature. But when I compare the radius of white dwarf Models of different C and O abundances, I found a radius -1.856382 R_sun for 0.3 C and -1.85159 R_sun for 0.7 C.
> >     Here I am confused why the radius is different for different compositions of white dwarf models?  Plots of variation in effective temperature and radius are attached.
> > 
> > you all are requested to kindly help  me in this regard. What is the reason behind this?
> > 
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